Looking at what makes good Application Security knowledge.

Posted on January 7th, 2010 by Drazen Drazic

It’s always interesting reading about larger scale fraud like this one recently with the Bank of Queensland. You wonder in cases like this, had the accused pulled the pin earlier, would he ever have gotten caught? You wonder how many do get away with it – stopping before obvious alarm bells start to ring?

There’s no generic solution/strategy for fraud detection to critique, as each organisation addresses it’s own internal security and risk management practices differently, but there is a scary pattern of misguided thought in regards to securing systems and actually defending against, and detecting fraud. It’s “security” by definition but are many blinkered in regards to what the full definition of “security” encompasses? I think so.

Many in the security industry are focussed to the point of obsession on only vulnerabilities and technical attack vectors (new attack type X, new attack type Y – all generally old stuff just re-invented in different ways but promoted as new big things by many in the industry). It’s such a narrow focused view that stops at the technical exploit. That’s not where the role of a security professional should stop. Read on:

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A CIO and CEO Guide to improving corporate security today – it is possible.

Posted on August 10th, 2009 by Drazen Drazic

Just got back and saw this was confirmed:
http://www.iirme.com/securecon/workshops/c.html

CEOs, CIOs and Middle East Gov and Gov Security seems to be the audience.

Should be fun…..there is no slides…….just talk…..they accepted that….(somewhat I think). :) I prefer to just talk……

This will be an all-out session and I hope Bruce S (Keynote) will be there….Pass this link to 20 of your friends and you will receive…magically a new notebook.

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The start of outsourced CSOs and Security Specialists?

Posted on January 20th, 2009 by Drazen Drazic

I thought about using the term (and have many times in the past), “virtual” CSO, but that sounded a bit wanky. This is something that I thought would take off a while ago, but like all else in our industry, things move slowly and little has happened.

With this “economic downturn” (yeah, I know…it’s been overdone also but reality is reality), I do think organisations are going to start to think about this. Staff are being laid off, sadly, but key aspects of the business still need to be in place – for regulatory requirements and moreso, just for the security and viability of the business.

I think in 2009, many companies are going to look for “specialists” (outside consultants from specialist firms – hopefully not, the usual mobs who’ve milked them of money for years for no result….yeah yeah….we know who I am talking about), in this field to replace people who have been made redundant – many who also were promoted to senior security roles that they were not capable of doing, nor ready for, ie; being able to work to a level that would be to the real benefit of the organisation. Read on….

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More on not logging – “Reverse Compliance”

Posted on May 8th, 2008 by Drazen Drazic

Declan’s recent post on logging being a double edged sword started some interesting discussion. Anton Chuvakin follows-up further on his blog and writes:

“Reverse compliance” is a motivation to purposefully avoid technologies that have a chance of telling you that you are NOT in compliance. Sadly, logging is featured very high on the list of such technologies that a) tell you about all the problems with your compliance posture (e.g. direct violations of regulatory requirements, lack of controls, inefficient controls, policies not followed, etc) as well as b) are mandated by various regulations (e.g. PCI DSS) and c) actively used by auditors for finding compliance issues.

Read the rest of Anton’s post.

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Clouding Log Analysis – Anything New worth a Look?

Posted on April 17th, 2008 by Drazen Drazic

“The cloud…..so pretty!”….thanks Wade for pointing me to this one at loglogic. This opened up a bit of discussion between a group of us on this “security in the cloud” business. Thought some of the comments would be worth putting together.

Some of my thoughts were previously covered here also. Anyway, the following are some of our ramblings. Feel free to add your comments.

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Big Galoot Diatribe – Superheroes and independence of expert witnesses

Posted on March 28th, 2008 by Drazen Drazic

The rantings of Craig Chapman, IT Security Legend and good bloke.

I’ve previously drivelled-on about the time I was approached at a conference by a couple of computer forensic ‘experts’ from a global IT co.

If you believed their story, these guys were IT super-heroes. The only things missing from this pair of turkeys was their red capes, masks and tight fitting, lycra underpants (although I strongly suspect these were being worn under their tailored suits).

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The realities of real forensic investigations in IT….Dec on Risky Business

Posted on March 27th, 2008 by Drazen Drazic

This is a topic that is going to be covered again tomorrow in a post by BG. What can IT Security specialists actually really do when investigating an “incident”? Too many kid themselves that they can provide the client with the full service. As good as I think Securus Global is, I would never promote that we can do this properly ourselves without specialist guidance and advice from legals and police type people. Too many heroes out there think they can and that is dangerous. There’s a difference between an investigation and an “investigation” that would be used for a legal case.

Risky Business talks to Declan Ingram from Securus Global on this topic:
http://www.itradio.com.au/security/?p=64

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Metl getting some major press…I hear the groupies are flocking in also now…

Posted on March 5th, 2008 by Drazen Drazic

Adam Boileau, our old colleague, 18 months down the track is getting some serious traffic now for this. Why freeze some RAM?

ComputerWorld

Sydney Morning Herald

Gees, even Slashdot! :-)

I hear even some guitar mags may be picking this up also now based upon the pic in The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald. Onya Metl!

Additions: I just fixed the SMH link with the photo. Also, it was interesting to talk with Patrick Gray today about this:
“Hi Draz — your readers might want to hear the Risky Business interview I did with Metl about this whole thing. The Sydney Morning Herald actually picked up this story from the podcast and linked back to it… no one else bothered. Que sera, what can you do?”
That’s a bit slack not passing the credit back to where it’s due. Anyway, here is the original source from Pat: Risky Business #52.

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The freezing ram stuff…..

Posted on March 3rd, 2008 by Drazen Drazic

I enjoyed Patrick Gray’s take on this story:
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com.au/topics/article.asp?DocID=6101214

I can think of easier ways to get the information.

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Forensics and Investigations Work on IT Security Breaches

Posted on February 16th, 2008 by Drazen Drazic

This is somewhat of a follow-on from BG’s last post, that came about from a conversation we were having about how much forensics and investigations work Securus Global actually did. To be honest, the answer was not much and I did not know of too many other organisations that did much either. The odd job here or there but nothing to sustain a dedicated business unit.

I’m not sure what it is like in other regions of the world, but the BG Ostrich RM 101 pretty much covers it and that is scary! (Obviously the banking sector is different but even then, some do it better than others in that sector).

This is nothing new. I’ve been ranting about this for a long time but things haven’t really changed much.

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Big Galoot Diatribe – Standards For Forensics…a Need?

Posted on July 13th, 2007 by Drazen Drazic

The rantings of Craig Chapman, Computer Forensics Geek.

Lest Big Galoot be accused of souding too flippant at the undeniable benefits of “Standards” in our lives, let’s not forget an often overlooked human side of the increasing “Standardisation” of our world and those who feel the irrepressible urge to write them.

Standards make many people happy, warm and comfortable as does a nice pair of fluffy slippers and a cup of warm cocoa. This is not necessarily a bad thing. I like my cocoa and slippers as much as the next bloke. But make no mistake, standards are sometimes touted by those who feel an overwhelming need to compartmentalise theirs and other peoples lives by standardising the way in which everyone does things.

For those mother hens of the world who seem to take pleasure in writing procedures & processes for everything we do – from walking our dog off its leash in the park, to spitting on a footpath, is it more a case of process – at the expense of performance?

A recent article at CIO mag http://www.cio.com.au/index.php/id;1626336618;fp;4;fpid;51238 proposes that new network forensics standards are “crucial to the speed and fairness of the US judicial system.”

What a complete load of puffed-up, breast-beating, piffle! Read the rest of this entry »

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Ya big bully boys…..leave Joanna alone….shes nice!

Posted on July 5th, 2007 by Drazen Drazic

It gets exciting in the security community when the challenges are thrown out. I know……I can barely get to sleep at night from the anticipation. And so it is at the moment with the; “Bet we can detect Blue Pill vs. Bet you can’t!” challenge.

In the red corner, the Bully Boy Team. (And no, that’s Peter Ferrie – not the famous Peter Fernie of Security-Assessment.com and Securus Solutions fame). In the Blue corner (gees, the jokes are lame) of Blue Pill fame, the lovely Joanna Rutkowska.

Even if Joanna loses, there’s enough excuses already to see a rematch in the future. Either way, hits on both websites should shoot through the roof.

Let the best woman win!

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Big Galoot Diatribe – Computer Forensics “Specialists”

Posted on July 4th, 2007 by Drazen Drazic

The rantings of Craig Chapman, Computer Forensics Geek.

The other day I met a couple of guys at a security conference who introduced themselves and announced proudly that they did “Computer Forensics”.  I had no reason at that stage to disbelieve them, since they were wearing some rather impressive-looking nametags, bearing the logo of a very well known global company.

After a bit of big-noting themselves, it was what they said next in relation to investigation techniques that sent my alarm bells ringing;

“We’ve just done a course on interviewing suspects.  We can tell you when someone is lying.”

“Really ?” I said, rather disbelievingly. (Gees, these guys have it 100% – something that takes good police detectives years to develop).

“Aside from your lie detector skills, how do you keep an arm’s length between your forensics role and being the interviewer of a suspect?” I asked, very curious to hear their response.

“Bah! No need to worry about that!” they replied rather boldly, as if that were a mere technicality not worth worrying about.

Unfortunately, as they might discover, the courts don’t exactly share their view on wearing both the hat of the interrogating Investigator and Computer Forensics Expert, simultaneously. See fellas, there this thing that courts are big on, it’s something known as ‘Independence’.

Nor is computer forensics simply a fancy term for checking of audit logs, as they would later try to rather incredulously argue.  Make no mistake, these guys were not computer forensics people in any form.  They were at best, a pair of audit-log-checking, boofheads calling themselves “computer forensics” people.  As the term “forensics” suggests, it also involves the gathering of evidence in a manner that is lawfully admissible to a court.  Judging by their manner, and their high degree of BS, I’d have to conclude that these gentlemen have spent far too much time watching CSI or NCIS, and very little time, if any, in an actual court or in a witness box.

Fellas, if by chance you recognise yourselves & happen to be reading this blog, here’s a really good definition of computer forensics as described at http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci1007675,00.html

Computer Forensics:
“The application of computer investigation and analysis techniques to gather evidence suitable for presentation in a court of law. The goal of computer forensics is to perform a structured investigation while maintaining a documented chain of evidence to find out exactly what happened on a computer and who was responsible for it.”

And by the way, if you’re still reading, perhaps you should remove the “Computer Forensics” label from your nametags and replace it with “Audit Log file checkers”.  Ok, it doesn’t sound as impressive, but it’s perhaps a lot closer to the truth.  and it avoids more potential embarrassment for you.

Chappo

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FBI’s Operation: Bot Roast

Posted on June 19th, 2007 by Drazen Drazic

The FBI’s Operation: Bot Roast, claims to now have identified “about 1 million” botnet infected systems in the US. See also: http://www.fbi.gov/page2/june07/botnet061307.htm.

The announcements say all the right things, but the question as to how much substance is behind them is somewhat questionable in my opinion. The intentions may be there, so lets see what impact to botnet activity this program has. It would be interesting to know how the 1 million systems were identified. Have I missed something in my readings?

Other than that, there is some good introductory information in here for individuals and businesses alike.

Related Links:
http://www.dailyinfosec.net/
http://beastorbuddha.com/category/cyber-crime/

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Big Galoot Diatribe – The Trojan Defence…the sleeping giant for computer forensics?

Posted on June 10th, 2007 by Drazen Drazic

The rantings of Craig Chapman, Computer Forensics Geek.

A couple of recent cases, including http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11469 in the US have highlighted malware and trojans as an emerging problem for the computer forensics community – testing the validity of the expert evidence and calling into question the practise as a whole.

In this most recent case, problems emerged after a teacher was wrongly convicted following an
incident where her classroom PCs became infected with pop-up ads displaying pornographic images. The prosecution alleged that the pop-ups were caused by the teacher’s activity on her PC following expert testimony from a computer forensics detective.

Problems in the case emerged after the defence’s computer forensics expert successfully argued that a harmless hairstyling web site had actually re-directed the PC’s browser to pornographic sites, setting off a chain of offensive pop up ads (a sub-argument was also presented about access control).

With the benefit of hindsight, this case was perhaps more about poor forensics practises – the investigating detective was apparently not thorough enough.

But it raised a bigger issue: What about really hard-core trojans & malware? How do we prove that malware didn’t exist on a suspect’s system? Recent studies into the potential problems facing computer forensics community of malware\trojans\viruses suggests this problem is not going to go away any time soon.

Highlighting this problem, some conceptual tools developed by Security-Assessment.com and Joanna Rutowska from www.invisiblethings.org have shown the ability already exists for
malware to defeat ‘volatile’ memory forensics. Make no mistake, this is a big threat facing computer forensics practises and its ability to withstand rigorous cross-examination in the witness box.

The really big questions facing the computer forensics community right now
must be:

- How can the trojan defence be negated? and;
- What practises can be put into place by the corporate world to assist computer forensics ?

The nitty-gritty of ‘The Trojan Defence’ is that we don’t know what we don’t know. In other words, how do we prove that something (a trojan) didn’t exist?……The mere possibility of the existence of a trojan may itself be enough for a case to be thrown out, in the absence of any corroborating evidence.

The solution? (Is there any?)

In terms of hard-drive forensics, (and even perhaps volatile memory?) the ability exists to make a ‘known good’ copy of a system prior to it’s deployment & have it locked away in a safe. In an attempt to negate the trojan or malware defence argument, the ‘known good’ copy could be dragged out of the safe & compared to the original, and forensically examined for changes to that system. Operating system active processes, dlls etc could all be mapped & compared against those of the ‘known good’ system. This practise could also be a really good tool for very quickly detecting what is going wrong with a particular system when the IT Security guys are called in following an ‘incident’, say, an intrusion where their system became owned or whatever.

In reality though, this practise is unlikely to be adopted in the short term. But I’d be very interested to learn if some companies out there are already adopting the practises of having a secured, ‘known good’ copy for forensics or IT Security purposes. Has anyone heard of this being done ?

Or, perhaps someone has some other ideas about how ‘The Trojan Defence’ argument can be (relatively expeditiously) negated in a forensic manner ?

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Organising a penetration test for your organisation………

Posted on March 18th, 2007 by Drazen Drazic

Some good points raised in this article:www.it-observer.com/articles.php?id=1308

There’s few good companies out there that do penetration testing well and they’re generally the smaller specialist organisations (yeah, I have to mention Security-assessment.com).

We still see and hear about mobs doing this work for clients and shake our heads at the results / output. There’s still guys out there running basic VA and port scans and delivering stock standard reports out of the likes of a Nessus to clients and calling it a penetration test.

It’s hard for organisations to know what questions to ask and how to compare offerings because it is such a specialised field. This article goes someway to helping.

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